BREAKING: Phoenix has lost its crown as the nation's fifth most populous city. Latest Census numbers: Phoenix 1,445,632; Philadelphia, 1,526,006. And San Antonio's numbers aren't in yet. Population growth alone does not a quality city make, but this is a huge blow to Phoenix's prestige and ability to get federal dollars. It will also add to the political power of the white-right suburbs. And, the city has no Plan B beyond "growth." So much for the bragging I heard mid-decade about how Phoenix would pass Houston in 2010 and soon overtake Chicago. One unknown: How much did the climate of fear from SB 1070 and other anti-Hispanic measures contribute to an undercount?

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  1. azrebel

    The report notes 1.9 million hispanics now in the state. The comments on AZ Central show a level of racism that is overwhelming. We are being divided by class and race. Divide and conquer.

  2. The Arizona racists are on a mission to destroy hispanic people living in this state. They may end up destroying themselves in the process.

  3. eclecticdog

    Still a million too many, but going in the right direction!

  4. cal Lash

    I think back a few blogs ago I got slammed for suggesting their has been a long ongoing effort of ethnic cleansing in progress and now its up and running in a scorched earth way.

  5. soleri

    I wonder how Bob Robb will spin this. The manifest destiny of the sun belt is about to take a major hit. Joel Kotkin, man your polycentric battle station.
    This is a continuation of the previous thread in that we can see how the libertarian economic model – pretty much all real estate all the time – eventually self-cannibalizes. The high maintenance costs start to look ominous once the escape clause of the outer growth edge is removed. Maybe Robb will recommend some tax cuts to fix this.
    Arizona mortgaged itself to a dystopian future for the sake of some cheap economic thrills. Some players got filthy rich and some just gave up and disappeared. Some are studying nursing, hoping that an out-of-control health-care sector stays red hot for at least a few more years before a death panel named bankruptcy takes over.
    For the average Arizonan, it’s enough to know that there are fewer Hispanics in their midst. The future may be much poorer but at least it will be white. Austerity will become a self-fulfilling prophecy as we scramble to cut taxes for the “producers” while praying for a warm and trickling drizzle from above.

  6. phxSUNSfan

    There are actually more Hispanics in Arizona, and Phoenix; there are however, less illegals according to reports. Too bad for the racists whites: We can’t be deported and there are more of us than ever…
    When I moved here a couple of years ago and read about the unsustainable growth of the city of Phoenix I had my doubts. 100,000 new residents per year in the late 2000’s? Come on…First of all where were all those new people living? There weren’t, and still aren’t, that many properties on the market in the city (rental or otherwise). It just seemed unrealistic.
    But, Phoenix still grew and still will. Problem is getting the city to grow smarter. Now that priorities must be reassessed, fuel inching ever closer to $4 a gallon, and housing values still falling in the exurbs and suburbs, maybe people will start to realize the benefits of urban growth, sustainability, and affordability when all the costs of the suburban lifestyle are added up.
    Here is how the Republic spun the slower Phoenix growth rate:
    “Census data: Arizona’s growth driven by Phoenix, West Valley”
    It is likely that many Hispanics failed to fill out the form and, like voting, they just don’t think it important. Likewise, many illegals were reluctant to return the form, still that isn’t anything new. But are there really 148,000 uncounted Hispanics out there?

  7. phxSUNSfan

    Just to give a sense of who is driving population growth, according to ABC15, the white population now only makes up 60% of the population of Arizona, down from nearly 70% in 2000.

  8. Rev. Right

    phxSUNSfan said, “Phoenix still grew and still will.”
    Are you suggesting that Phoenix will grow indefinitely? That’s like saying petroleum is abiotically infinite.
    Phoenix may experience sputtering spurts, but if it grows, that growth best be in the spiritual realm. It’s ‘come to Jesus!’-time.

  9. phxSUNSfan

    Phoenix will grow for the foreseeable future; notwithstanding Apocalypse 2012 predictions.

  10. Well it does feel a little bit looser on many of the streets.

  11. Emil Pulsifer

    Well, first of all, revised analysis of Arizona’s job estimates and unemployment rates shows that “Arizona’s rate [of unemployment] has been higher than the national jobless rate for 31 of the 32 months from June 2008 through January 2011. It had appeared to be generally lower.”
    https://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/news/articles/2011/03/04/20110304biz-jobs0304.html
    Second, 43 percent of single-family home resales in February were resales of recently foreclosed-on homes; of the non-foreclosure transactions, 40 percent were resales of recently foreclosed-on homes; and “foreclosure-related activity represented about two-thirds of the market transactions in February” according to ASU’s W.P. Carey School of Business.
    https://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/business/articles/2011/03/10/20110310phoenix-foreclosure-dominate-home-resales.html
    Third, about 1/4 of American homeowners are underwater (owing more on their mortgages than their homes are worth — and the percentage is rising.
    https://www.heraldnet.com/article/20110309/BIZ/703099869
    None of this encourages legal emigration from other states into Arizona, or from Mexico; and it certainly doesn’t encourage illegal immigrants (or anyone else) to stay in Arizona.
    As for Arizona’s illegal population, the Pew Hispanic Center reports an actual decrease since the recession began: 100,000 or a 20 percent decrease. But the report is based on Census data, so the question remains whether it is based on actual emigration to other states or on underreporting due to reluctance by the undocumented to cooperate with Census (government) employees.
    https://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2011/02/02/20110202arizona-illegal-immigrant-population-lowers.html
    The Center for Competitiveness and Prosperity Research at Arizona State University’s W.P. Carey School of Business has concluded that “little, if any, growth occurred in Arizona over the last three years.”
    “Our census came in quite below estimates, more than other neighboring states also in a recession…The only conclusion I could reach was that the immigration laws seemed to have driven more people out because it couldn’t just be the economy.”
    But Jennifer Steen, a political science professor at ASU, asserts that “Undocumented aliens in Arizona were under-counted at a very high rate…It’s always hard to count those people in any context because they have a lot of reasons to be wary of identifying themselves to an agent of the United States government…During the data-collection period, discussion about SB 1070 was in full swing, likely meaning even fewer illegal immigrants were willing to participate, Steen said.”
    https://cronkitenewsonline.com/2011/03/experts-call-arizonas-census-results-lower-than-expected/
    Meanwhile, “Maricopa County sees 40% drop in inmates suspected of being in U.S. illegally”.
    https://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2011/02/02/20110202arizona-illegal-immigrant-population-lowers.html
    But there is considerable question as to whether this is because fewer illegal immigrants reside in Arizona or because ICE is getting to them first through the “Secure Communities” program which results in deportations mainly of those without a criminal record.
    https://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/news/articles/2011/03/09/20110309arizona-immigration-analysis.html

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