Worse than the Great Depression?

It's widely acknowledged by economists, and supported by mounting evidence, that we're in for the worst economic contraction since the Great Depression. This is not "negative news" the media are inventing, dear positive-thinkers. It is simply reality. Yet it won't be as bad as the Depression, right?

For months, I have been giving a qualified "no" to that question. First, because the safety nets of the New Deal and Great Society, although badly frayed by Republican misgovernance, are still in place. Second, Americans are more affluent — we don't have a third of the nation "ill clad, ill-fed and ill-housed" and millions lacking even electricity. My "no" was qualified because expert opinion got us into this mess and will continue to hold sway — watch as the proteges of Robert Rubin steer the Obama economic plan. Experts were flummoxed by the Great Depression and in many cases carried out policies that made it worse. Expertise is only useful when it grows, as when a man demanded to know why Keynes had changed his view on an issue. Keynes responded: "When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do, sir?"

Now, however, I am starting to wonder about my reassurances. Friday's report that 533,000 jobs were lost in November alone, signaling that the pace of unemployment is accelerating fast, was a kick in the teeth. Could this recession turn into a depression to rival, or surpass, the 1930s?

It is possible.

Several powerful forces are emerging that seem to go far beyond the typical cyclical moves that mark the average recession. Each is dangerous and, together with the other characteristics of the Great Disruption, they could make for a new era of very hard times:

Debt: Americans are deeply in debt. The ratio of consumer debt to disposable income is now about 140 percent, compared with 70 percent in the early 1990s. The American government is borrowing about $800 billion a year from overseas and much of the perhaps $2 trillion in "rescues" and other "facilities" of late will also be financed by borrowing. These historic levels are obviously unsustainable, but the cracks really start to become obvious as people lose their jobs, values of their houses, etc. It gives foreign governments tremendous power over American policy. But it is also destabilizing to them: What happens in China, for example, when laid-off, foreclosed Americans can't buy as much imported Chinese-made stuff at Wal-Mart? This is a situation in many ways worse than the Depression.

Workers wake up: Cheap global goods and the housing bubble concealed the danger zone into which average Americans had fallen, and it goes beyond debt. Wages have stagnated or fallen over the past eight years. More than two decades of deregulation, wrongheaded trade policy, anti-employee legislation and union busting have eliminated millions of good jobs, in a real economy, with pensions and benefits. The 401(k) casino has been blown to smithereens, and with it a huge amount of the wealth of average Americans. Now even the default move of selling houses or hawking mortgages is gone. And even before these chickens landed, income inequality was at levels not seen since the 1920s.

Credit: The credit markets are frozen at levels that the smartest people in the room have never seen — they're all too young to have lived through the Depression. It's not just that banks are hoarding money — customers are becoming less credit worthy. This feeds a vicious cycle of businesses laying off people, who then can't buy goods, which then causes businesses to lay off more people and close, etc. That's the Depression cycle we were taught back when schools taught history and economics. It also means that a nice, gradual conversion to a less-indebted society of savers is impossible. This is shock therapy.

Deleveraging: Whether by prudent action or the rough justice of the market or bankruptcy court, all the highly leveraged contracts of the bubble years are being "unwound." Much of this debt is based on swindles. As with average investors losing their nest eggs, the wealth is simply gone. Poof. This further feeds business layoffs and failures. It also is helping drive down the price of oil, as leveraged futures contracts go poof — potentially making Americans forget the real future of energy prices.

A ruinous price tornado: Prescient economists such as Nouriel Roubini are warning that these forces will produce a catastrophic deflation. This is exactly what happened in the Great Depression. But there's also the danger of a follow-on wave of severe inflation as "Helicopter Ben" Bernanke deals with the downturn by, as he once said, dropping shrink-wrapped pallets of dollars from choppers. These inflationary forces are already in the pipeline. They threaten to provoke a flight from dollar-based assets, such as all the debt we owe the world.

Mis-allocated stimuli: It's already becoming clear we were defrauded (again) by the big banks in the $700 billion "rescue" passed by Congress. It has neither fixed the credit markets nor staunched the downturn. It lacks strategic direction — besides ensuring continued imperial compensation for Wall Street — and it lacks oversight. It is encouraging the industry consolidation that proved bad for banking and for so many communities. Meanwhile, Detroit will get a fraction of what it sought, but there's little indication this will really change the Big Three's direction, or be enough money if there was the will and vision to do so. Finally, the new Obama stimulus seems heavily focused on highways and driving, with no discussion of investing in the transportation systems we need for the future. The great danger, of course, is not running a giant deficit. It is wasting that deficit to keep the unsustainable going a bit longer.

Chaos: From the bombing in Mumbai to the rebirth of a major threat of pirates to the narco war in Mexico — the world is cleaving into functioning nation-states against chaotic and violent trans-national movements, based on theocratic or tribal visions. Unlike the Great Depression, when America was rich in oil, the violent chaos is heavily concentrated in places with much of the planet's remaining reserves. In the case of India and Pakistan, nuclear weapons stand at the ready. Add to this the debt bomb to which America and China are chained…

So I'm sorry to dump all this on you on a Monday. It not a call to despair, but to hold the new American government for real change. Then hold together, because it's going to be a rough ride.

3 Comments

  1. Emil Pulsifer

    Excellent overview, Mr. Talton: very nice indeed.
    I particularly liked the paragraph headed “Mis-allocated stimuli”. I wasn’t terribly impressed with descriptions I had hitherto read of Obama’s stimulus plan, though I understood that “information technology” improvements in hospitals and schools also formed a large part of it.
    The weakest section was headed “Chaos”. Really, a bit reminiscent of the kind of end-time prophecy practiced by evangelical sects. Tell us when, in recent history, there weren’t comparable (or worse) wars, organized crime, violent religious crusades, threats from weapons of mass destruction, violent insurgencies, and so forth.
    Mr. Talton is of course correct in his framing of the issue: the real question is not whether the current crisis IS as bad as the Great Depression, since it patently is not, but whether it shows strong potential to develop into something comparable.
    If I may be permitted to play devil’s advocate for a moment — not through conviction so much as cautious skepticism — I have the strong impression that the media’s desire for sensational headlines has slightly overbalanced its institutional memory.
    As far as the stock market is concerned, comparable bear markets occurred from March 2000 to October 2002, and before that from January 1973 to October 1974.
    Median housing prices are sharply down from the prior year, but believe it or not are strongly positive in growth when measured from 2003 prices. (This is specifically true of Phoenix and surrounding cities, but seems to be more broadly true in the real estate market in general.) On the other hand, about 10 percent of homeowners are either in foreclosure or delinquent on their mortgages, and without strong intervention of one sort or another, or a spontaneous economic turnaround, this problem is likely to increase significantly if not dramatically: and as I have pointed out before, I really think that this is the basis for so many problems, and needs to be addressed directly rather than dithering about with financial intermediaries.
    Unemployment did sharply increase recently: one Associated Press article (see hyperlink below) describes it as “the most in 34 years”, though without being told whether this is in terms of absolute numbers of workers (the population grows over time, kids), or a more meaningful measure in terms of percentage of the workforce laid off, we don’t know how appropriate this description is.
    Unemployment is currently at 6.7 percent. If the recession lasts until spring of 2010, as some economists predict, it will certainly be the longest downturn since the Great Depression. But those economists also predict that unemployment will reach about 10 percent before hiring picks up — scarcely the level of the Great Depression, as Mr. Talton himself sagely observes.
    In short, when I read about economic statistics which are, variously, the worst in 15 years, or even several decades, and which compare with strong recessions and bear markets on several occasions since the 1970s, I have to wonder why the media couples these (admittedly troubling) observations with the kind of language suggesting the Great Depression. Perhaps they also did so on these similar occasions in the past.
    Also see:
    https://www.startribune.com/business/35594649.html?elr=KArks:DCiU1OiP:DiiUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aULPQL7PQLanchO7DiU

  2. John Reinan

    If I hear “roads and bridges” one more time, I’m going to puke. Why aren’t we rebuilding our intercity trains?

  3. eclecticdog

    Until the Federal Govt stops tinkering with the statistics (unemployment, inflation, GDP, etc.) we will not know how bad it is and will make decisions based on faulty info which will probably make things worse.
    For example, Jubak on MSN points out that the inflation stat is at least 1 or 2 percentage points below reality and that means even at +1 we have been in a recession the last two quarters. The unemployment numbers do not count recent grads, those that have given up, underemployment, or drop in wages for the same work (my case in my last two subcontracting jobs).
    Then we have the Bush admin doing as much damage as possible before it leaves and the legacy of its judicial appointments continuing far into the future. And now Obama goes for the same old faces with the same old connections (for the most part) that got us into this mess to begin with. At least Obama acknowledged that things will get worse before they get better, but for how long and how deep?

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